and joe biden in october made the case for barack obama in his record, his administration better than barack obama has. and i would hope that barack obama will study the game films of both clinton and biden in preparation for next tuesday night. i mean i think joe biden gave-- democrats today were singing all over town. i mean they were tap dantion they were so happy. in large part because he brought passion. he made the case. he brought the case against mitt romney, the 47%, the fact that a rom me's effective tax rate, what he pays to the federal government is lower than that of a secretary or a firefighter. it was just, it reminded democrats on why they were democrats too. and i think that really, really did help. >> woodruff: so he brought what the president needed last night? >> halfway. he lifted the moral of the democrats and i think it is multily and also true that he offended a lot of people. a lot of republicans were deeply offended. a lot of yeps were offend. there is the debate for people who watched, which was a lot. >> 61 million. >> people are really interested. so it's